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 Post subject: RST and schizophrenia
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:24 am 
Dennis,

It's important to note that Van Winkle herself was schizophrenic. In reading the over 1,000 posts on the http://www.gocure.com site it's very obvious she was no longer ill. She makes a strong case that her illness was caused by fight or flight suppression. And isn't it interesting that she cured herself by releasing trapped fight or flight chemicals.

Anyone who has done sustained RST will find it hard to deny the impact of releasing fight or flight chemicals out of the neural net. Some doing RST have reported hangovers that last a whole day.

John


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:32 am 
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Hello John,

To me it also appears that Ellie van Winkle was in excellent (mental) health but, as you know, she died of cancer. She said it was as a result of decades of over-medication before she did RST. Nevertheless, her discoveries are in line with Janov and Alice Miller and the positive results of RST appear faster than any other primal based therapy. And best of all: it's free.

What's your opinion on the 3-month intensive and the 1 - 2 years of 'muddy waters', as Van Winkle gave RST?

And welcome to the forum.

Dennis


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One additional point about Van Winkle and her being schizophrenic is when she finally went "post flood" ( when the majority of the trapped norepinephrine from atrophied noradrenergic neurons is released via doing RST). It was in the week following being denied a chance to present her theory at a conference with Alice Miller in the late 1990s. Apparently someone in charge had discovered her schizophrenic past and was alarmed. She was immediately cancelled. She speaks of intense redirecting work after this event and getting a very high fever and other severe symptoms. That's supposedly when she became fully well.
( detailed in http://www.gocure.com )

Perhaps a big part of her theory not getting so much airtime is that it seems so "out there". At least it did to me ( before I used it). I mean how many schizophrenics cure themselves. Isn't that an incurable disease? Yet her proof ( scientific) is all fully documented. I've tried repeatedly to get someone to verify these findings and in 3 years the only problem has been that nobody will read it. If people on this forum want scientific proof, it's all there. But I'm not much into organic chemistry and neurology at this level!

Skim over this for entertainment....and I emphasize skim:

"....involves an interaction between the amine group of the ligand and the carboxylate side chain of Asp113 in the third hydrophobic domain of the receptor (14). The gates that open and close ion channels are thought to be positive charges at channel openings (8). The terminal amino groups of the beta-adrenergic receptor molecules are extracellular (15). These groups and other R groups, for example on lysine, arginine, and histidine, that can accept protons may constitute the positive electric field that blocks positive ion permeability. Protonated amino groups are found mainly on the surface of globular proteins and affect the electrostatic properties of proteins (16). The 3- and 4-hydroxy carbons and beta-hydroxy carbon of norepinephrine may form covalent linkages with these protonated amino groups on the receptor protein. Linkages such as these would diminish the positive field and allow increased permeability to sodium ions. This may be part of the mechanism for opening the gates and triggering an excitatory postsynaptic potential. The synthesis of new superficial receptor protein via activation of the adenylyl cyclase effector system may be secondary to this mechanism. The N-methyl group of the neurohormone epinephrine may account for its affinity for a different receptor, and a methoxy group on the 3-carbon... "
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It goes on like that. So with that kind of indepth scientific proof, and her being a diagnosed schizophrenic who was CURED, who would listen? The answer is...nobody. The closet people would be people interested in the "catecholamine hypothesis" and are not part of a drug company. The pharma industry has made billions off of this. The only way anyone would hear of this is if people just punched physically and mentally at their parents-abusers etc. using the attracted codependents in their lives....and got better. In droves. After talking to people about this and talking to many doctors ( even neurology specialists), that is my personal opinon. I could be wrong, but that's the way it looks. So far, nobody I know of has ever read her medical hypothesis. Nobody. And if it weren't for some people who got well, there would be no site either.

When reading into Elnora Van Winkle's "Confessions of a Schizophrenic" people are just not going to believe it I think. I believe it because of my own person experience. Imagine a person who didn't have a major anxiety or depression or mental health problem. RST attached to a discoverer who was schizophrenic is in my opinon something that will keep this work in the background for many years. Fortunately she showed the strong connection to primal, and this may help. But even primal is pretty alternative and misunderstood.

Only new groups of people who get better will get this known. Van Winkle is adamant that post primal and post flood are the same. Only actually doing the work is going to "prove" this in the minds of people who could use her therapy.

John


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