Cesar Wrote:Quote:
OK, CC: but that?s not my point.
Sorry Cesar, I think I lost your point. I do that sometimes.
Hi Phil,
Phil Wrote:Quote:
Something that often gets missed in debates about repressed memories is that there are at least two distinct types of memories. There are higher brain images, which most people call memories, but there are also lower brain feeling memories.
Yeah, I think that Janov refers to these as 3rd line and 1st line memories, and they are based on age. I may be wrong though. But nevertheless, repression is involved in all levels of memory which is the main defense to trauma.
Phil wrote:Quote:
Prior to my own healing journey, many of my childhood memories (the images), were missing their associated feeling components. That is what left me with an impaired feeling capacity. I have also recovered many image memories.
I believe you are talking about awareness and knowledge (of the images) in contrast to consciousness (associating and connecting the feelings to the images). Are you saying that the images kept you (impaired you) from feeling?
Phil wrote:Quote:
But these things are hard to prove scientifically. I don't know if there is any proof of repressed memory that wouldl satisfy scientists.
Not necessarily. I think that there is enough evidence in the field of neurology to support that trauma repression (repressed memory) is the cause of illness, neurosis and other psychosomatic sickness, which suggests the existence of repressed memory. It doesn?t satisfy scientist because they are repressed, ego warped and have a financial interest in not accepting this.
Phil wrote:Quote:
What can happen in bad therapy is that strong feeling memories are accessed in a disconnected way.
Sad but true. But then, I don?t believe in any therapist anyway. I think that the best therapy is self therapy and access or support from friends (knowing witnesses) when you have them. And you don?t need bad therapy to access strong feeling memories in a disconnected way. We do it all the time. That?s repression.
Phil wrote:Quote:
Thats when the person may start unintentionally inventing images to be able to handle the pain: satanic abuse, abduction by aliens, past lives etc. Its easier to "remember" these things than the reality of our own childhoods
Although these are extreme examples, repression takes many forms.