Interesting letter on Miller's website

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Interesting letter on Miller's website

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On Alice Miller's website you can read the letter of a woman who praises Alice Miller into the sky and claims she understands her books and which have helped her so much, and then, adding some theories and therapies opposed to Miller's. Luckily Barbara's response to this woman is clear and direct. This is what I tried to point out in Miller's forum back in 2001. That some people still continue abusing their children and themselves AND claiming to understand her books. And telling many people to read her books. This is an escape from one's own hurt feelings.

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I read it. Wikipedians are far more dissociated that this woman.

In the wiki article "Child sacrifice in pre-Columbian cultures" you can read:
Tlaloc required the tears of the young so their tears would wet the earth. As a result, priests made children cry before the infanticidal ritual sacrifice, sometimes by tearing off their nails.
Well, a truly Neanderthal editor just removed this article from the category "child abuse", and wrote in edit summary his reason for doing it: "that categroy comes off as unsupported bias".

Do you guys understand now what I mean by Neanderthal extermination?
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Oh!: I completely forgot to say that the harsh beatings of a 7-year old boy shocked me! And to think that the woman had read three Miller books which caused deep impression on her...

A piece of her story reminds me our friend Austerlitz and his New Age transcendental temptations, as well as a recent poster in Dan's forum who proclaims "Buddhist" wisdom.

Think of the little child beaten in a home with a Miller fan. OMG!
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Hi Dennis,

Thanks for pointing this letter out. I don?t get the chance to visit AM's site that often. It is disquieting to see that even after reading AM?s books, the message doesn?t completely hit home. That is because the message hits home when the words are allowed to connect with the deep (painful) emotions.

I agree with this:
And telling many people to read her books. This is an escape from one's own hurt feelings.
This is why I am careful to ask myself why I do things when I take an ?activist role?.

In my journey, I am getting better at telling the difference between True Empathy and Acting Out (Escape). These two can appear to be the same at times and will appear more so to an unconscious, disconnected, unfeeling person I would guess.
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Cesar, there's no easy way to lift out a post and put it into an existing thread so I'll leave it. Wikipedia sounds like it's becoming a jungle of disputes. The ADHD 'discussion' there has turned into a freak show. I think that your contributions there have been excellent and important and shouldn't have been removed.

CC, very true what you say. For me that has played a role as well. I couldn't imagine myself being an activist the whole time. But a little bit of social stirring from time to time seems for me a good balance with everything else I do.

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Dennis:

At least delete all content of my P.S. now that you corrected the misspelled word "fiend".

My comments on the ADHD talk page were not removed, only archived. This always happens in Wikiland once the talk page becomes too long. But anyone can see the archived discussions.

This said, I was not complaining about the ADHD article, but something infinitely worse: torturing children in Old Mexico before murdering them; and the fact than an editor disliked calling it "abuse"!

cc:
I am getting better at telling the difference between True Empathy and Acting Out (Escape).
Yes! I have not used those words, but yes!: they?re antithetical ways of dealing with pain. All pre-Columbian sacrifices, which were performed openly and all Indians participated ?it was a social show?, were the acting out of the monstrous ways of childrearing they had. This is the subject of my psychohistorical book El retorno de Quetzalc?atl.

Now I?m writing the 5th. A simple title I have chosen for this long epistle-book, Dad:
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