Note to Americans

Plenty of stuff to discuss in the world, with the focus on causes
Bernard
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Re: Note to Americans

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I didn't detect that sf said legislation ought not to be necessary. In the real world it's the only way to speed up the spread of non-abusive, "helping mode" child-rearing. I have great admiration for Paula Flowe's activism. Political and legislative action is what's needed.

If you type the words Convention on the Rights of the Child into Google you get results on the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities mixed-in.... because it also mentions children. If you type the words Lloyd deMause into Google you get results for pages that - just by coincidence - have some other person with the same surname and someone else with the same first name. So you have to put the words within quotes.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 12,900 for "Lloyd deMause"
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 427,000 for "Alice Miller"
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 2,590,000 for "Convention on the Rights of the Child"

In the case of "Alice Miller" you can't avoid spurious results mixed-in.... because there are other notable people called Alice Miller (see Wikipedia's disambiguation page - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Miller).... plus Genealogy websites and university professors called Alice Miller. And quite a few of the Miller & DeMause results are on this forum.

The biggest irony is that Alice Miller and Lloyd deMause never even acknowledged that the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child exists!
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Re: Note to Americans

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Bernard,

Let's make the point about legislation mine then.

A couple months ago I had the chance to get into a conversation with a therapist who's worked pretty much exclusively in state forensic hospitals. "Alice who?" she said. She hadn't heard of Jonathan Pincus either. I'd say she was more than grateful for the information. Gladly took a "Plain Talk" booklet too. Of course the best bet is prevention--and that fact lies on top of the basic reality that hitting a kid is morally bankrupt in it's own rite--but Miller says herself "We put these people in prison because we don't know what else to do with them." (Sorry, can't source it, one of her books.) And she's right. Since we believe so strongly in limited government here, our legislatures are simply too few and dinky to fit them all in.

Google's great. A guy in New York figured out that if he abused enough of his customers badly enough there'd be plenty of Internet chatter about him--which keeps his company at the top of Google's search list.

No news yet about the Texas rally.

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Steve wrote:"Alice who?" she said. She hadn't heard of Jonathan Pincus either. I'd say she was more than grateful for the information.
As a therapist for state forensic hospitals she would likely be open-minded to this kind of information. The difficulty is to influence conservatives who are in denial about childhood maltreatment. But there is an upside....
Steve wrote:Google's great. A guy in New York figured out that if he abused enough of his customers badly enough there'd be plenty of Internet chatter about him--which keeps his company at the top of Google's search list.
Rabid Republicans are helping to raise the profile of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child in the same way. The Parental Rights Amendment website mentions it. Legions of right-wing American bloggers rant against it. Their objections must seem utterly ludicrous to normal people, so they're helping the cause indirectly.

An Irish children's rights organization posted a video for kids about the UN Convention on YouTube. There was a comment from a user calling himself "godchaser33" who compared it to the Nazi indoctrination of 'Hitler Youth'. Hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_2nA49p3yw
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I didn't mean to be facetious when I said the comment by "godchaser33" was hilarious. Put it this way.... Were the Nazis trying to defend human rights for German youth? The brother and sister activists for Peace & Justice, Hans & Sophie Scholl (Aryan Germans), were executed by the Nazis along with their supporters at the University of Munich. Alice Miller mentioned them. It brings to mind the massacre of students at Kent State University by the Ohio National Guard in 1970.
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More information and links from the Youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXh3qFZyhYg

And just because I feel like it:



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